advice on learning techniques..

Hi

I'm new at playing bass, playing music for that matter. I do have basic knowledge of music, and did a lot of reading up on bass playing, etc... But for the most part, i've been playing songs of my favorite bands...thats the teaching i've had since i started. My question to you is : What would be an effective approach to learn more about playing bass?? Can you guys help ?? Any response is greatly appreciated. If this question does not make sense, i apologize..what i write does not come out the way i want it to ....

Thanks,

Dan

Hazz's picture

Get a metronome to help you

Get a metronome to help you keep time.

Practice your technique, both left and right hand and practice using all four fingers on your right. You may never use all four but one day you may come across a piece of music where you will need to use all four.

Learn where all the notes are on the fretboard. Once you know them you can play around and hear which ones compliment eachother.

Finding songs you like and playing them is a very good way to help you learn. One thing I would suggest is while you learn the songs, try and learn what scale/mode they are based on.

Go to the home page for this site and read through Wheat's Bass Book.
I would also suggest getting

"Bass Guitar for Dummies" by Patrick Pfeiffer
and
"HAL LEONARD ELECTRIC BASS METHOD - COMPLETE EDITION "

Those two (well actually the "Compleat Edition is three books in it self) books along with Wheat's will give you lots of good info and keep you busy for some time.

There is more and I am sure someone else will chim in.

Welcome to B.P. as well

Cheers
HAZ

p.s. Along the line of technique, when practicing your "plucking" you want the index (#1) and middle (#2) to create the same tone from the string. They should sound identical unless the music you are playing at the time requires a hrder or softer "pluck"

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BoH's picture

You're Off to a Good Start!

Learning your favorite band's songs is a great way to get started. It help you to stay interested, so keep it up!

As for other help, well, Patrick Pfieffer's Bass Guitar for Dummies (don't let the name fool you. He is a great guy and very well versed in bass) IS an excellent resource along with the Hal Leonard book Haz mentioned.

I wish you the best with your bass journey. Keep practicing what you know now and get going on some other stuff as you gain confidence. I love playing bass. It is my heart and soul. Hopefully, it will be yours as well. Welcome!

BoH


Low B, or not low B? That is the question!

Bo


You don't love me, you just love my FINGERSTYLE!
Peavey T40; SX/Squier P-bass; Spector Legend 5
Roland Bass 30 Cube

wheat's picture

Learning from songs is good

Learning from songs is a good start. It helps your hear and it helps you learn the particular idioms of your favorite genre (the signature runs and things that you use in particular style of music).

Branching out from that, you need to start by deciding what you want to learn how to do. That list might look something like this:

  1. create/improvise your own bass lines
  2. play a particular style
  3. learn to read standard notation
  4. learn to solo
  5. learn a particular technique
  6. learn theory

Learning scale and chords and how they fit together helps most everything. You can get a start on that from wheatsbassbook.org and from Patrick Pfeiffer's very good book, Bass Guitar for Dummies (see his interview here at bassplaying.com for a link. Buy it through that link and you help out the site!

Learning to read music is also useful. You'll get some of that in Patrick's book and a touch of it in mine. There are also books/vids for particular styles and techniques. And, if I ever get off my butt and do it, we'll have a series of vids here on some of these topics.

So set some goals for yourself--be reasonable about it--and set up a regular practice schedule to work toward them. Keep track of your progress (record yourself, keep a practice journal, etc.).

And, of course, ask questions here and keep us up to date on your goals and your progress toward them. Based on what I've said, what sorts of things do you want to work on?

Wheat

bassplaying.com

learning...

Fantastic!!

Thanks for the replies i have received from all of you guys!!

I really enjoy playing bass..there's something about a bass...Its awesome!!

To answer your question, Wheat, i want to learn as much about playing a bass as possible. In no particular order ( should there be an order ?? ), i want to be able to create, improvise my own bass lines, to be able to pick up my bass and play along with pretty much any song I hear, learn how to solo, and anything and everything about notes, scales, modes, etc. I watched a couple of vids of Billy Sheehan, and Jason Newsted playing bass, and did that ever motivate me even more!!! They were awesome, and did i ever wish i could play like them!!! But its like they say, you have to learn to crawl before you learn to walk. ... And i'm ready to learn, and i'll take in any advice from you, or anybody to help me be a better bass player.

Before i go, any suggestions for exercises for sounding notes with both hands??? I tried playing with a pick, and i really don't like the feel of it, seems awkward...I use my fingers, feels more natural. And any hints, or advise on how to remember the notes on the fretboard ??

Thanks for your time....Appreciate it!

Regards, Dan

wheat's picture

Some tips...

Dan,

Your enthusiasm is great! If it's your goal to learn it all, then you might as well start with some basics of theory and of technique. You asked specifically about sounding notes, so here are a few chapters from the bassbook that should help with that:

Fretting notes with the Left Hand
Developing Right Hand Dexterity
Expanding your grasp of the Neck

I prefer the alternating two-finger technique (middle-index or index-middle). Though, for certain passages, I'll also use three fingers (index-middle-ring-middle, etc.). Most of the time, you'll want to keep your touch gentle--think of it more as stroking the string than plucking it.

As for theory, start by getting the major scale under your fingers and in your head. Western music theory is based ont he major scale. The better you know it, the better off you'll be. Also, the minor pentatonic scale and the blues scale are widely used in rock and blues. So these are essential:

The Blues Scale and the Minor Pentatonic scale
The Major Scale and the Modes of the Major Scale

Don't just play scales straight up and down. Think of a scale as a pattern. It shows you what notes are in key in a particular span of frets. Play the notes in any order that makes musical sense to you. Find the melodies--your melodies--lurking in every pattern of the scale. Get those sounds and patterns in your fingers and in your ears.

Gotta run, but I think these will get you started. Also, grab Patrick's book and work your way through it. You'll learn a lot. I'm not sure if he covers reading. If he doesn't, I have two books to recommend on that subject. I'll post them later.

Best of luck! Keep me/us posted on your progress!

Wheat

bassplaying.com

keeping track

Hi guys. Longtime listener, first time caller (please have mercy).
Having just started to play the bass, i'm really appreciating all the good advice. I was particularly interested in Wheat's comment about keeping track/recording your progress.
How important is this? How much emphasis would you guru's suggest us noobs place on this?
very interested to hear what you think..

BoH's picture

Keeping a log?

I, for one, think that's an excellent idea. Knowing where one is coming from shapes where they are going. I've never thought of recording my bass progress in any fashion, but it applies to other things like staying in shape, working, keeping track of expenses, etc.

If keeping a log of some sort works for these things, it stands to reason that keeping records of one's musical progress will to. Therefore, I think it is vital to success.

They way I would keep track is to record my practice sessions. Windows Sound recorder would work well for this, even with its limitations. Basically, practice a line until you've got it. Then record it and play it back for evaluation. Then burn it to CD and ask your friends for input. Good idea, I think.

The best thing about recording your progress is that you can record your first attempt and your final attempt. Make a comparison and see how far you've come! That would be encouraging.

To answer your question: Yes, it is VERY important to track your progress--something I intend to start doing right away.

BoH


Low B, or not low B? That is the question!

Bo


You don't love me, you just love my FINGERSTYLE!
Peavey T40; SX/Squier P-bass; Spector Legend 5
Roland Bass 30 Cube

wheat's picture

Open Source to the rescue...

BoH,

You might also check out Audacity. It's pretty handy, free, open source, and works on Mac, Windows, and Linux. I haven't used it much, but so far I like it quite a lot.

Wheat

bassplaying.com

BoH's picture

Done!

I've had Audacity for about a year now. I love it!!!

I mentioned Windows Recorder just in case he was concerned about spending money. I should have pointed him to Audacity, which is as free as a ladies dressing room peep show! LOL!!

Speaking of Audacity, I need some recommendations on EQing. Any thoughts on what frequencies to boost and which ones to cut?

Thank you...

BoH


Low B, or not low B? That is the question!

Bo


You don't love me, you just love my FINGERSTYLE!
Peavey T40; SX/Squier P-bass; Spector Legend 5
Roland Bass 30 Cube

wheat's picture

Welcome aboard

Welcome to bassplaying.com. I'd say very few bassists keep a practice log, but I think it's a great idea. It doesn't have to be elaborate. Just grab some sort of notebook (I love the small Moleskine ones) and jot down the date and what you worked on. If you're trying to build speed, note down your metronome settings. If you're working your way through some method books, list the page you're on. If there are any questions that are troubling you, jot 'em down and come post them here.

You can certainly go a long way and never use a journal. But, as BoH mentions, they're handy in most other pursuits (reading, working out, etc.). They're also handy for practice.

Making periodic recordings of your practice is handy, too. Just record in whatever way works for you and date your recording. You can listen back to it after your practice (like a 'game tape') and then file it away. Six months later, drag a few out again and listen to see how far you've come. This is generally very encouraging, as you'll be getting better, but in small amounts, all the time. But you won't always notice your progress unless you record yourself and compare. Recording can also help you isolate problems so you can fix them before they become habits.

Wheat

bassplaying.com

Hazz's picture

The good old days of a

The good old days of a small, portable casset deck, those things still around?

Anyways, I never really kept a log to guage progrees but I did use a cassett deck to record my playing when I first started. Mainly because I would be jammin' (or trying to) along and WHAM!!! I just heard something great but can not remember it. So I recorded all my practices.

As the others have mentioned though, when learning anything new a log is a good idea even though a lot of folks do not use one.

CHeers
HAZ

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scales.

Hi

Just a quick question...this may sound stupid, but here it goes...In regards to scales, for example, the minor pentatonic scale, which is on page 17 of your book, you mention it contains the R, 3,4,5,and 7 degrees of the minor scale, with an example beginning with the 5th fret on E string ( A ), can you explain to me , make some sense on what all that means in relation to my fret board, and so on....

Thanks,
Dan

wheat's picture

Minor Pentatonic

Dan,

Here's the first pattern of the minor pentatonic scale. Let's assume the root is A (fifth fret of the E string):

|---|---|---|---|
|b7-|---|-R-|---|
|-4-|---|-5-|---|
|-R-|---|---|b3-|

It's probably better to think of it in terms of the major scale. So I've written the degrees above with the major scale as a guide. Now compare it to the natural minor scale:

|---|---|---|---|
|b7-|---|-R-|---|
|-4-|---|-5-|-6-|
|-R-|---|-2-|b3-|

All the minor pentatonic does is takes the natural/pure minor scale (a.k.a. the Aeolian mode of the major scale) and omits two of the more troublesome notes: the 2nd and 6th. Since these two notes are ones that often sound out of place when soloing over changes, using the minor pentatonic makes the work a little easier. It also has a distinctive bluesy sound and an easy-to-remember boxy shape. You can add one note to get the "blues scale":

|---|---|---|---|
|b7-|---|-R-|---|
|-4-|b5-|-5-|---|
|-R-|---|---|b3-|

The "flat five" also called the "blue note" is used as a passing tone between the 4th and 5th degree of the minor pentatonic. It adds a slight bit of tension by being outside both the major and minor scale (it implies the diminished triad or the half-diminished seventh chord--both quite dissonant).

Does that help? I'll be happy to explain further,

Wheat

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Spiky1's picture

Improvising .

Some books that are very cool for learning improvising are "Building Jazz Basslines" by Ron Carter, "The Improvisers Bass Method" by Chuck Sher and of course "Wheat's Bass Book".

Fat man, fat bass.

wheat's picture

Now there's a dream come true...

That makes the first time I've ever been mentioned in the same sentence as Ron Carter and Chuck Sher. I could get used to that! :)

Wheat

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BoH's picture

Easy Big Fella...

Thar ain't enough room on your server for that swolled up head of you'rn now! Hahahaa!

See Wheat, you're a bloomin' genius, bro!

BoH


Getcha' Groove ON!

Bo


You don't love me, you just love my FINGERSTYLE!
Peavey T40; SX/Squier P-bass; Spector Legend 5
Roland Bass 30 Cube

wheat's picture

Egolicious

Yeah, I'll have to let some of the air out of my big head. Somehow, I don't think MTV Cribs would be very impressed with my pad or how I'm rolling right now: "And this is my '92 Honda Prelude."

Wheat

bassplaying.com

BoH's picture

Hahahahaha!!!You kill me,

Hahahahaha!!!

You kill me, bro!

BoH


Getcha' Groove ON!

Bo


You don't love me, you just love my FINGERSTYLE!
Peavey T40; SX/Squier P-bass; Spector Legend 5
Roland Bass 30 Cube