Since we have a number of new members and our new recording project is fast approaching I thought it might be nice to post some simple instructions for recording to a PC. Then if there are specific questions we could discuss it here.
There are a number of members beside myself who regularly record to PC. So your questions are likely to get prompt and accurate responses.
So here goes.
1: Establish an Input
Your first step to recording with your PC is to establish an input. Your sound card most likely already has one. Check your sound card, most will have jacks labeled mic, line in, line out, spk out or some combination like this. Line in is the best choice but mic may also be used.
You may plug your bass directly into the line in or mic jacks using a 1/4 inch mono phone jack to 1/8 inch stereo phone jack adapter. This will work but isn't ideal.
You will get slightly better results if you plug your bass into a DI box (like the SansAmp or BassTec) and plug the DI into the PC line in. Still this is far from ideal.
If you have a mutli channel mixer you can plug the mixers main out (or line out) to your PC line in. You then plug your bass into one of the mixer channels. This is the setup I use. Using this setup provides more flexibility than the previous setups. For example, you can easily add other instruments or mics through the mixer. You may also use a DI between your bass and the mixer if desired.
Finally, you could purchase a firewire or USB input box of some type. There are advantages and disadvantages to this. First there are extra costs. Then, you require more computing power. You may also find latency issues. I don't use this setup so I won't comment further.
2: Testing the Input
It is best to test your input first before trying to record anything. Even if you are going to use a DI or mixer I suggest you make a direct cable connection from your bass to sound card first as this will reduce the complexity.
Make sure your bass is turned down before plugging into the sound card. This will protect your speakers. When you have established a connection pluck your bass and gradually turn up the volume. If you hear the bass through your speakers you have a successful connection.
If, on the other hand, you reach maximum volume on your bass without any output you will need to set up your PC input (recording) mixer. First, turn your bass all the way down again. Next you need to activate the Windows input mixer. There are many ways to do this but usually there will be a speaker icon on the status bar tray at the bottom right corner of your screen. Double click the speaker. Under Options|Properties you will find a radio button that will bring up the input (recording) mixer.
Make sure the 'line in' or 'mic' select box is checked and try plucking your bass and turning up the volume. If you start to hear your bass you have a successful connection.
If not, turn your bass down again. Try increasing the gain on the line in slider and try again. If you still don't have any success check that you are plugged into line in and not mic. If you are plugged into line in and still have no luck try plugging into mic and repeat the procedure.
If none of this works you will need to contact your PC or sound card vendor or microsoft (good luck) or perhaps purchase a dedicated input box.
3: Completing the setup
If you are only planning a direct connection there is nothing more to do. If you are using a DI or mixer now is the time to finish the setup. Connect the DI or mixer to the same PC input you just tested. Then connect your instrument to the DI or desired mixer channel.
Turn on the DI or mixer. Set the master output volume to the mid point (usually marked as 0dB boost). Set your bass to your normal playing volume and tone. Gradually increase the gain on the DI or mixer until you hear your bass.
At this point you will want to experiment with the various settings until you reach the ideal settings for your system.
4: Recording Software
To record you will need recording software. Windows ships with a functional but limited recording program. It is in the C:\WINDOWS\SNDREC32.EXE folder. You can use this to make simple recordings without effects etc. The output is in wav format though so it can be imported into sound editing software.
Your sound card may have shipped with recording software. For example Creative Labs sound blaster cards may include Wave Studio. You may choose to download Audacity or some other recording and editing software.
In any case you will have to follow the instructions for your chosen software.
5: Mixing with mp3
Audacity and many other recording programs will import an mp3 as a track. Once the file is imported you can play it back and record your bass line at the same time. Set your program to record and play the song. After you are done you can add effects to your bass line, adjust it's volume relative to the mp3 etc. When you are satisfied you can output the mp3 plus bass line as a new mp3.
I hope you find this info useful. Please feel free to ask questions. If I can't help you someone else can.
Just adding a few ideas.
Just adding a few ideas.
If you can afford it and do not need a "pro" setup, the Line6 TonePort UX1 or UX2 are very good at what they do pluse they come with Ableton Lite recording software that has a tutorial that goes step by step and is fairly easy to understand. They also come with GearBox which you can use to add effects or amp models. They make hooking up and getting started much easier since you can use a USB port or go with the 1/4" to 1/8" route as Paul described. If you do go with the USB connection then you will need headphones connected to the TonePort. If you use the anolog outs of the TonePort and the inputs on yer sound card then it will work with the speakers you already have.
As far as file formats, If you are using editing software that will not export to mp3 OR will only use wav files then you could download dbPowerAmp
It is freeware and will convert wma, mp3, wav, aif, ect. to what ever format you may need or want. You just need to dl the codec for the specific format which can also be found on the same site.
There is however one catch, the mp3 conversion is only a trial version and do to licensing you need to purchase a license to keep using the mp3 converter after the 30 day trial. You only need to pay once though, it is not an annual thing or anything like that.
Hazz
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Thanks guys, this is really
Thanks guys, this is really helpful for a beginner. I think recording yourself is a great way to help you learn. In the way of mixers, is there a small low-budget model available without all the bell and whistles, but that gives good quality?
Unfortunately I'll be gone this week, but as soon as I get back, I'll let you all know how the setup goes.
Simon.
Since I only ever record one
Since I only ever record one thing at a time, I get by with just using a pre-amp instead of a real mixer. The one I use is cheap but good: M-Audio Audio Buddy.
Mine is actually the older one, from back when the company was called "MidiMan," but the functionality is almost identical. I run an XLR mic into this and then run the 1/4" stereo out into an adapter to make it 1/8" stereo, then I use a regular 1/8" to 1/8" PC audio cable to carry the sound to the mic input on my sound card.
Wheat
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Technically, it is a mixer,
Technically, it is a mixer, as it can accept two inputs at a time. But I only ever use it as a single-channel preamp.
wheat
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Things change...
This was my old setup. These days, I use the TonePort UX2. Here's my review of it. A complete rundown of my recording gear is here.
I'm very happy with my TonePort. I didn't think I'd care for amp/speaker/mic simulation. But now, I use it all the time and prefer it to placing a mic on my cab.
Cheers,
Wheat
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TapCo also make good quality
TapCo also make good quality but inexpensive mixers.
Thanks for adding details
Thanks for adding details about the TonePort. I don't use an external interface because my old PCs don't have the power. I stick with using my sound card. However, I know people who use external interfaces and they say good things about them.
Yeah, the TonePort is a
Yeah, the TonePort is a mixed blessing in that regard. A lot of the processing happens on the TonePort hardware itself, which is a good thing as it offloads the work from your CPU. But, using the TonePort means you have to run GearBox in the background, which eats some RAM and CPU. GearBox does have a bypass mode, which gives you just the raw signal from the interface and minimizes its CPU/RAM impact, but it still has to be running. So it's still more load on your box.
So, in your scenario, sticking with the internal sound card and just using some sort of preamp is a better bet.
Wheat
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Maybe Hazz or wheat could
Maybe Hazz or wheat could add a short tutorial on mixing the mp3 with your bassline? How about it?
I'd do it but I used the masters (I know, that's cheating). LOL
You mean type a long drawn
You mean type a long drawn out paragraph or two? Perhaps this would work;
Step one - click here
Step two - insert here
Step three - move slider/knob (hehe! I said knob)
Step four - move other slider/knob
Step five - click here
Step six - export by doing this
Your done.
Thank you and come again. ;^]
Hazz
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Ok, now that we're all
Ok, now that we're all experts.....
LOL
*shakes head*
Are you being a smartass? I am SO shocked!!!...LOL!
: )
Dave
I do believe Dave is a
I do believe Dave is a little sloooow these days. ;P That post is over a year old. Haha
HAzz
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I'm not the one who dug this
I'm not the one who dug this post up from the grave. So, what are you saying Hazz? You were a smartass back then but now you're a changed man?....LOL!
Dave
Well yes sir Mr Dave, I have
Well yes sir Mr Dave, I have changed ... now I am a smarter ass.
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I am the one who dug it up
I am the one who dug it up from the grave. So the jackass title is mine! Whenever I see a thread on the site where I've given out some advice that I later changed my mind about, I like to post an update. Lots of people (non-members) hit the site via Google. And they usually hit a thread or two and bounce off. So I'm trying to add value to the older threads by linking them over to other relevant discussions.
Wheat
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I was just busting on
I was just busting on Hazz....LOL! You do what ever the Hell you like on your site Wheat. I was calling Hazz a smartass, not a jackass..... that was ALL him...LOL!
: )
Dave
I wouldn't mind doing one.
I wouldn't mind doing one. But it would be Ableton Live-specific. I guess I could also do one that is Audacity-specific.
So much to do! I need a BP-specific to do list (right here on the site, even).
Wheat
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I really meant the ultra
I really meant the ultra short version. You know,
'Use 'file open' to import the mp3'.
'Click record to start the playback and record your bass'.
'Adjust the bass level so it's audible but not overwhelming'.
etc, etc. or something similar. Maybe it's too software specific. It was only a thought anyway.
If that is all you ment Paul
If that is all you meant Paul then the best way is for someone to get the software, go through the help files (tutorials if it has them) and then ask questions. The basic importing of a track is fairly easy, as well as the click to record. Adjusting the levels can be tricky if you are doing all the mixing/mastering but just adding bass is simple as well.
The reason I say that is it is a bit different from program to program. Cakewalk is a bit different the Audacity, Audacity is a bit different the Ableton, etc. etc. etc.
The problem a lot of people will encounter is the monitors/speakers/headphones they use. If they are not true studio monitors then it is a bit difficult to get the right amount of bass.
If you have speakers that have a strong woofer you will end up not adding enough bass and vis versa, if they do not have enough bass then you will add way to much bass. Same goes for headphones as well.
If someone does not have proper monitors that reproduce the true sound of the music then the best thing to do and can be a bit if a hassle, is after getting the mix to where YOU THINK it sounds good is to export the song to a cd and then play it through yer truck stereo(I guess some of yas have cars) and yer home stereo. The mix should sound relatively unchanged. If it sounds as though the bass is drowning the rest of the instruments/vocals then you need to bring it down. If there is not enough bass then bring it up.
Once you get the mix to where you like it and the levels change very little from system to system, then go back into your DAW ("Digital Audio Workstation" yer 'puter) and listen carefully to how loud the bass is relative to the rest of the mix. That way all you need to do is try and get the same level for each mix you do there after. Yeah some tunes you will want a bit more bass and others a bit less but that procedure will get you in the ballpark.
Hazz
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Thanks Hazz, that's just the
Thanks Hazz, that's just the kind of tips I was hoping for. That sould help some of the people who haven't mixed tracks yet.
Very good point about monitors. I know first hand how hard it is to get a good mix without monitors. I might add to your tips above that if you don't have monitors then make sure to set your output flat before trying to mix or EQ. By flat, of course, I mean no treble or bass boost or cut. Then follow Hazz' directions as to trying it out on other systems.
Oh yeah, one more thing, the
Oh yeah, one more thing, the problem most people have is the actual connection from bass to 'puter but you touched on that above.
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Thanks for the info
I mix for my church's praise band on a nice digital mixer (Yahama M7CL32) but had no clue how to plug my bass into my computer. Was wondering if I needed to get some preamp or get a 4 port Mackie or something like that to do it.
I'm not to that point yet, but wanted to be able to when I was :)
Your bass can plug directly
Your bass can plug directly into a PC soundcard through the 'line in' plug using a 1/4 inch to 1/8 inch adapter but this isn't the ideal way to work. A much better way is to connect a mixer to the PC using the mixer 'line out' to the PC line in. This gives you more flexibility. You can also use a DI between your bass and the mixer if you wish.
Some people prefer to use a dedicated external interface like the TonePort mantioned above. The advantage is a generally higher resolution (or bit rate). The disadvantage is it requires more computing power. If your PC is powerful enough then this is also a good option.
Hope this helps.
Thanks I have a pretty good
Thanks
I have a pretty good computer with what amounts to a good deal of processing power to spare for most things, so I may look at the tone port thing. But at least I now know what I need to do it, and not be out there guessing at it :)
I got Audacity last night and started just playing around with it some.
What's in a name?
Line6 renamed the TonePort line as POD Studio. Same gear, but with a black face instead of red. They're still using the TonePort name for the KB37 (i.e. MIDI keyboard + UX2 interface) and the UX8.
They also created new software to go with it. The old software was called GearBox. The new 'ware is called POD Farm, and it's really nice. With my TonePort (UX2), you can use either software, but I find myself using POD Farm more often. It has a cleaner interface. And it allows you to use two signal chains at once, though I haven't explored that much.
I started out with going straight into the sound card (1/4" to 1/8" converter, like Paul mentioned). But the signal on my passive basses is too low for that, so I used a preamp to boost the level. But now I'm totally down with the TonePort. I don't have to deal with amps and mics--it's all virtual. I can record while my son is sleeping. I use it for guitar, too. I haven't really experimented with using it for vocals, and I haven't used it much with acoustic instruments (again, the whole mic thing).
There are lots of ways to make it happen! Jump in there.
Wheat
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