Last night I was working on a tune I will be playing on Sunday. I thought that the part I had in mind and was trying to play needed to be faster then my finger style playing could keep up with. Finally I reached over and grabbed one of my son's guitar picks. Picking with an up and down motion, like I use when playing guitar, to the rhythm I wanted sounded cool.
I've been playing around with a pick for a few hours today just to get a better feel.
I have always been a finger style player and using a pick has always seemed wrong... lol
I plan to use the pick tomorrow for one song and see how it goes (that is if my bandmates let me).
Moral: It's never too late to try something new.
Pete
Yep, you're right!
It's funny how we become so accustomed to a certain technique and often find ourselves unwilling to change. Change can be a good thing and makes for brand new challenges.
I have been part of starting a new band that will be doing some classic rock covers. This will include quite a few Beatles tunes. Since McCartney was a picker, I decided to do what I could to emulate the feel and tone of his style. This meant taking up a pick for some tunes.
I have to say that I've enjoyed using a pick on the Beatles songs. I Feel Fine, Help!, and A Day in the Life all sound great when flatpicked. My next step will be to get some flatwounds on a bass and try picking that.
So yes, I chose to adapt and learn some picking to expand my horizons, so to speak, and pick up (pun intended) on some new things.
Bo
Low B, or not low B? Does it really matter?!
Bo
You don't love me, you just love my FINGERSTYLE!
Peavey T40; SX/Squier P-bass; Spector Legend 5
Roland Bass 30 Cube
Using a pick - what thickness?
So I am a finger guy. And used a guitarpick once on my bass. Did not like the sound. But I am curious to know what thickness pick I should use, at least to start with.
I'm a fingers guy, but...
I'm a fingers guy, but when I do reach for a pick, I like those yellow Tortex ones. They're .73 mm. With bass picks, I like 'em thick. I've even used the 1.00 and 1.25 mm ones in the past. But the .73's have just a little bit of give, which helps.
Wheat
bassplaying.com
Lately, I've been going for
Lately, I've been going for the green tortex (.88) ones on both guitar and bass. I always liked them on guitar, but now I like them on bass, too.
Wheat
bassplaying.com
Try a Wedgie (pick)
There's a thick rubbery pick called a wedgie that gives more of a fleshie part of the finger sound when used. I tried them when I was thinking about working more with a pick and liked the sound. They had them over at Sam Ash. When I use a pick, I'll use them, but I'm back to fingers for the most part.
Bill
I agree
It's never too late to try something new. Just look at John Myung (Dream Theater), he played fingerstyle for 20 years with his band before he used a pick on one of their songs.
I love the sound I get with a pick, but I'm not comfortable playing anything advanced with it. I keep at it, and it's great to have the option of being able to use a pick even if it's just for a song or two.
Using a Pick
Pete, you traitor!
Just kidding. As you no doubt are aware, I am generally against pick usage on bass, but the reason for this is that I don't want young bass players to be just like all the guitar players out there who think they can play bass. Many bass players are discouraged guitar players, (I know, that's a dirty little secret) and if they don't learn finger technique from the start, they probably never will.
I can actually use a pick quite well, but please don't tell anyone! I almost never do, however, and in fact I think the last time I used a pick on bass was over twenty years ago. One guitar technique I have carried over to bass is borrowed from flamenco technique, and involves alternating the thumb with two or even three fingers, depending upon the rhythm I'm trying to accomplish. It's called "tremelo" and I find it very useful in executing fast and difficult plucking rhythms. With a little practice, you can even emulate the Rocco stuff, although he does it with two fingers.
I always carry a handful of picks in my gigbag, but this is because I got fed up with guitar players who would show up to gigs without a pick.
My personal pick preference? I like the yellow .73s, just like our host. I see no reason why a "bass pick" should be one of those huge, fat, unwieldy things that are stereotypical.
Kelly
There is no substitute for proper technique!
Fingers v Pick
I find tremelo technique useful for fast stuff on a single string [as a guitarist would when playing Recuerdos de la Alhambra, for example,] but find the common finger "pattern picking" guitarist style great for bass when required to speed things up. That is ...
Right hand...
Thumb on string 4
1st finger on string 3
2nd finger plays string 2
3rd finger plays string 1
I use a pick for lead guitar, but not rhythm, and have tried using a pick on bass, finding that for me at least a heavy 2mm pick most useful. I even tried using banjo thumb and finger picks back in my wilder "lets get stoned and jam" days just for a giggle - total waste of time that one!
Very rarely use pick on bass now unless I am after a particular sound. I have found the above mentioned "pattern picking" technique actually faster than a pick and far more versatile.
dags
dags
I use this a lot, too. I
I use this a lot, too. I tend to refer to it as "guitar-style finger picking." I'd never heard it called "pattern picking" but that makes perfect sense. It is fast, and very versatile, as you say. I like doing repeating arpeggio patterns this way, using something similar to banjo roll patterns.
Wheat
bassplaying.com
I do that. I've got a song
I do that. I've got a song that I play in rolls using my finger and thumb. I've always thought of it as banjo-style rather than guitar-style. Banjo rolls are fun to play and give your fingers an interesting workout. I used to know some of the patterns but I've since forgotten them. Banjo is a fun instrument to play...except for the sound that it makes.
-Ann-
Whenever I think of banjo I
Whenever I think of banjo I think of the movie Deliverance. Toothless hillbillies with confused sexual orientation....
Ughhhh, I hate banjo..... hahahahaha
Using a Pick
I've found myself having to use a pick for one of the songs we cover (Precious-The Pretenders) fortunately when I play guitar (I know, boo hiss traitor etc etc) I use a pick so the adjustment wasn't too traumatic. MY younger sister gave me some Fender medium picks at Christmas and they seem quite comfortable to play with.
I've also been playing around with felt picks - kind of a cool sound but they feel a little thick between my fingers.
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Welcome aboard B#!! BoH
Welcome aboard B#!!
BoH
Bo
You don't love me, you just love my FINGERSTYLE!
Peavey T40; SX/Squier P-bass; Spector Legend 5
Roland Bass 30 Cube
Hey Bo
Hey Bo, I've been hanging around a bit, just had to find my password and find my way round.
Congrats on being inrerim co-moderator (we're doomed hahahahahahaha)
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Yeah, I looked at your
Yeah, I looked at your history and realized that you've been around for a while. Sorry...
Uh-huh, I'm a co-mod...well, off to work...
*edit*edit*edit*delete*delete-------coffee break-------nap-------*delete--------nap.
BoH
Bo
You don't love me, you just love my FINGERSTYLE!
Peavey T40; SX/Squier P-bass; Spector Legend 5
Roland Bass 30 Cube
Felt picks are cool. I like
Felt picks are cool. I like them because they get away less than traditional guitar picks...I can actually hold on to them and they don't turn around in my hand. I also think they have a fatter sound than traditional picks. But they wear out if you use them enough. They are thicker, but I like that as they seem to feel "bassier" to me if that makes any sense. Maybe something about the thickness of the strings and the thickness of the pick makes them seem like they belong together. Traditional picks sound to "clattery" to me on the bass. When I play guitar, I like a medium pick. They have a little warmer tone that the lighter ones.
-Ann-
The "clattery" sound you
The "clattery" sound you talk about is fairly easy to get rid of. Set the action on your bass high. Really high. This of course works best if you have an extra bass so you are not constantly adjusting the action. It also takes time to get used to if you are used to a low action. Also, running your bass through a decent compressor will also help. I only use picks, due to an accident I had with my pick hand about 8 years ago. It took quite a while to get used to playing, but no more "clatter sound".
Just add fingers
I just use more fingers when I want to go faster....LOL! It's just another technique... just another tool in the tool box.
Dave
Not just more fingers but a
Not just more fingers but a couple triple/triple espressos and a diet pill or two will really get ya moving. ;^)
Only time I opt for a pick is if the song requires that type of tone. Other wise quick fingers, hammer ons and slides can do wonders to make a piece sound faster.
Hazz
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I've just never got the hang
I've just never got the hang of using a pick. I think it's because I haven't figured out how to mute the strings using a pick. I guess it's something I should try again one day. I can see how it would be useful for faster songs.
Using a Pick
When I'm using a pick I'll mute with my palm or left hand. I still prefer playing with my fingers but, like you say, there's some music that it's necessry to get the appropriate tone & speed. Of course, Hazz may be onto something with the diet pills and double espresso! LOL
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Aaaaaaa . . . B# . . . I distinctly said TRIPLE espressos ;^)
Hazz
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Just add fingers
Whew....when I saw the title of your post I thought for a moment you were suggesting some kind of finger graft
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Not Quite.
LMAO!!! That guy must be the "Bass Player From Hell".....LOL I wonder what he does in traffic when he needs to give someone the finger....hehehehe!
: )
Dave
Man I need one of those and
Man I need one of those and I'm not being rude for once, OK!! maybe a little bit.
Wow! now they are breeding 5
Wow!
now they are breeding 5 and 6 string bass players, with extra fingers. For goodness sake don't mention 12 string guitars!!!!
dags
dags
Re: Just add fingers
[quote=Dave Magaro]It's just another technique... just another tool in the tool box.[/quote]
Exactly... just like slapping, tapping, and finger picking. The more techniques you have in your tool box the more versatile a musician you become. From studying cello for so long, I found that it was beneficial to learn every technique available. It was expected to learn different bowing and picking styles. One of the strangest bowing techniques was flipping the bow over so the horsehair laid on top and the wooden (or fiberglass) part of the bow was against the strings. It kind of made a percussive sound similar to slapping while slightly picking up the string's harmonics. I've since forgotten what it was called. But like using a pick on a bass, it's not a technique that I use regularly but it's a good one to know how to do.
-Ann-
Amen to all that. Go for
Amen to all that. Go for the sound, let the technique follow. Any technique that yields a sound you can use is a good technique.
Wheat
bassplaying.com
I'm an avid collector of Picks
Even though I play with my fingers 75% of the time, I like to use picks every now and then to get different tones.Thinnest is the Jim Dunlop @ bottom right(0.38 mm). Thickest is the Tectrum Foam,the white pick middle right (4.00mm). Most used is the Clayton 0.40mm- 5th row from front/ middle.
Geoff :-)
I've seen that funny-looking
I've seen that funny-looking jellifish pick before. How does it sound? What do you think of it?
-Ann-
Picks
About a year after I started playing bass, I was in a fairly bad dirt bike accident. I broke all 4 fingers, and three other bones in my right hand alone. (Luckly my fret hand survived the ordeal.) While recovering, the only way I could play at all was to play with a pick. Now I have arthrits in my hand from the accident, and have no choice but to play with a pick. I prefer Dunlop Tortex 1.14mm (purple with a picture of a turtle on it) picks. When I buy new picks, the first thing I do is cut the surface I hold, on both sides, in multiple directions. This makes it easier to hold the pick, and reduces the amount of pain I will suffer through.
Any time I play with a new band, I have to explain why it is not possible to play with my fingers.
Ouch!!!
[quote=rev token]About a year after I started playing bass, I was in a fairly bad dirt bike accident. I broke all 4 fingers, and three other bones in my right hand alone.[/quote]
Ouch!!! I hope you've made a good recovery. Good thing you were able to use a pick, it would have been really hard to not be able to play at all.
BTW, welcome to BP.
That sucks! I'd be depressed
That sucks! I'd be depressed if I had to play with a pick. But, if push came to shove as in your case I'm sure I would learn over giving up the bass.
There are a lot of great
There are a lot of great players who play with a pick. Some of them do so exclusively, others use fingers in the studio and picks live, some vary track by track. That's sad about your hand, but it's great that you've adapted. I'm sure, if you had to, you'd learn how to play the bass with your feet!
I play with a pick some of the time. I also prefer the Tortex picks. I keep three different gages on hand: the purple ones, the yellow ones (0.73), and the green ones (0.88mm). I also use the yellow and green ones when I play guitar, so they serve a dual purpose.
Wheat
bassplaying.com
picks
Jimi66 some times you need to change your sound, personally i could never master a pick, But even Jaco used a pick every now and then, but i don;t play guitar I play piano as another form of musical out let. I started off playing a williamson 5 string up right with a B string, Hated it so i converted it back to E A D G , and went nuts with a bow. so i am fingers all the way.
Jimi
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